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FallInLov3
Posted: Monday, July 23, 2007 8:23:13 AM
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I don't really know more about werefox, but there's rumour that str werefox is a deadly pvp'ers. If not mistaken, they're equiping boxing glove ?
Rave
Posted: Monday, July 23, 2007 11:46:37 AM

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need more info about this!

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Ubaker
Posted: Thursday, July 26, 2007 1:13:24 AM
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I currently have a lvl 40 str-fox so far its been doing great. It has only 3 Int due to stat reset, im assuming its the lowest possible stat.


This is in human form.

Its good in duels specially with the Shadow of Fox Skill, which has 80% chance to steal HP.Bad Grin

Its good in PvE I dont spam skills in PvE unless its a boss, making my leveling cheaper.

Its good against boss monsters, let your summon tank while you spam your skill.
even if your summon goes down you can tank the boss since you have high defense.Brick wall

summon+your skills is really effective, but you lose a lot of power without your summon. my skill damage = my summon`s(Golem) normal damage. But dont get me wrong even the fox alone can dish out a lot of damage spamming their skill.

The weapon im using is a reward from a quest. its a low lvl staff without any int requirement.

its not strong but it gets the job done.

for me the int-fox would only have an advantage against a str-fox is, if it has mastered both the fox skill tree and the magical skill tree.

In a mirror match the reflect shield wouldnt be much of a problem since you can both just dispel it.
at higher levels it has a shorter cooldown,it starts at 110 sec and every level deducts 10 sec from the cooldown.
uncommon
Posted: Thursday, July 26, 2007 6:01:38 AM

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A few general questions:

How you fight winged archers as a STR-based fox? Those seem to be my worst nightmare in general but can't be bothered to try play one myself.
Is low DEX a problem to hit high Eva mobs considering same lvl/gear?

Is it common to carry 2 or 3 sets of armour with different enchants in the bag that help fighting different mobs?
With that in mind do many players have crafted armor that has insane +Wood Def to use when fighting Foxies?
And if so, what about going hybrid, though INT heavy, to deal with those in fox form? What skill (trees) are must have's?

I tried to follow the above examples about damage output but I'm not a cruncher, so please try to avoid formulas and the like Smile

Something I forgot to ask about thorns buff ...
That works against physical damage okay, but does it work vs. ranged physical damage too?
And is it possible to evade damage that gets reflected?
Rave
Posted: Thursday, July 26, 2007 8:35:35 AM

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I'm guessing you use heavy armor, have you tried wearing light armor to raise your con some more? Because I'm level 14 and have only about 10 con less than you.

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Ubaker
Posted: Thursday, July 26, 2007 12:58:13 PM
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uncommon wrote:
A few general questions:

How you fight winged archers as a STR-based fox? Those seem to be my worst nightmare in general but can't be bothered to try play one myself.


I havent fought with too many archers yet, usually against melees only. But what i usually do against range is cast tail of the fox on them first so that they wont be able to move, and then unload all my available attacks.

Its best to use a flying pet against them so you wont have a hard time when the fight is taken in the air.

uncommon wrote:

Is low DEX a problem to hit high Eva mobs considering same lvl/gear

The fox transformation skill gives bonus hit. I havent experience missing my attacks a lot against mobs, even when they are 10 lvls higher than me.

uncommon wrote:

Something I forgot to ask about thorns buff ...
That works against physical damage okay, but does it work vs. ranged physical damage too?
And is it possible to evade damage that gets reflected?

It only works against Melee attacks.

Rave wrote:
I'm guessing you use heavy armor, have you tried wearing light armor to raise your con some more? Because I'm level 14 and have only about 10 con less than you.

Light armors requires int so i dont use them. I dont think i need that much con for now since I usually let my summon tank for me. Ill add more when i start to feel soft :D
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Posted: Thursday, July 26, 2007 1:27:10 PM
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Ubaker wrote:
Light armors requires int so i dont use them. I dont think i need that much con for now since I usually let my summon tank for me. Ill add more when i start to feel soft :D

INT ??????

uncommon
Posted: Thursday, July 26, 2007 2:32:16 PM

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Thanks a lot for the answers Ubaker.

Looks like I won't get around using fox form skills in a Werefox build.

My original plan was to go full out INT, staying in humanoid form all the time.
But I can see how that won't work in PvP with getting interrupted when casting spells.

Got the wasp pet (sawfly IIRC) though what bugs me is the way they aim for enemies in a straight fashion ..
and getting stuck on the slightest rise on the ground.

Now I need to figure the best weapon and stat distribution.
Min/maxing won't be the way to go here I think and DEX can be left alone.
What about INT:STR:CON <=> 3:1:1 ?
I still like to stay in humanoid form most of the time :p
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Posted: Thursday, July 26, 2007 3:37:39 PM

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light armour use str dex not int and str werefox use magic sword

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Ubaker
Posted: Thursday, July 26, 2007 3:38:23 PM
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Ice_water wrote:
Ubaker wrote:
Light armors requires int so i dont use them. I dont think i need that much con for now since I usually let my summon tank for me. Ill add more when i start to feel soft :D

INT ??????


sorry my mistake. i was thinking that light armors = magic armors.

in that case then I was also planning on doing that, wearing light armors to protects against casters, but still not sure if im going to take that route. maybe by the time I reach a higher level.
uncommon
Posted: Thursday, July 26, 2007 5:04:36 PM

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It's perfectly okay to refer to caster wear as light armor since they still offer a little physical protection.
Also they don't have a generic classification like "Heavy" or "Light".

Naming "should" be like this:

Heavy, pre-requisite: high STR, low DEX
Medium, pre-requisite: equal STR and DEX
Light, pre-requisite: high INT, low STR
Rave
Posted: Thursday, July 26, 2007 11:46:32 PM

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Well, calling it Robe, Light, and Heavy isn't that bad.

I think leveling from 1-30/40 as full int and having the pet tank would be the fastest/most financially reliable build, then once you get to that level re-stat and go the build which you'd like to go.

How much are you hitting for? I have the same staff as you at lvl 17 but my normal attacks hit for half of my pets damage.

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Ubaker
Posted: Friday, July 27, 2007 10:18:14 PM
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for now my normal attack is 1/3 or 1/2 of my summon, depending on the monster. the golem has very high atk. but my skills outdamages my golem. The damage of the pet is so high I dont bother to use skills on normal mobs to save MP pots.


This is my first character so Im not really sure whether its goin on the right path.
So im still learning as I level up.

So far im sticking with the int-less build. although im still thinking whether I should go heavy armor or Light armor in the end. Its easy to tank physical damage but the Matk really hurts badly.

With the fox form passive def buff maybe the light armor can come close, in terms of physical def, as a heavy armor. But I dont know if you can have enough stat for that.

Is it possible to have a High Str, Dex for light armor, and a good amount of Con?


Rave
Posted: Saturday, July 28, 2007 2:40:25 AM

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It's best if you just get enough str and dex to wear your light armor and pump the rest into con. If you are going with that build anyways.

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Posted: Friday, August 31, 2007 2:56:41 AM
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STR based werefoxes are good in 1on1 specially against melee class, but how bout TW?? it is so lame if the only thing you can do is to run around debuff enemies bec of your HIGH def.. not having skills for nuking in TERRITORIAL WAR is boring lol..

but i think the idea of werefox-form is to be an "ANTI-MAGE"..

INT>str.con type vs INT>str.con type.. for example yao jing vs fa shi

fa shi nukes with magic attacks.. yao jing int have high mdef..
yao jing (fox form) do some p.attcks(remember magictools have p.attck damage also)...
fa shi has low p.def.. specially when debuffed..
and you can do all the mana drain, hp steal, "SLOW CAST", stun, increase received damage all of these +pet with casting interruption skill.. you dont need the skill that blinds the enemies..

INT vs Melee,
its true that melee can deal a huge damage against INT type, but dont forget that you can deal a huge m.damage also bec they have low m.def.. they have stun but yao jing also have skills that can paralyze them, harmony skill is your advantage, reflect and reduced received damage, poison, +pet with slow so you can run and cast again, and reduce magic def skills by your pet.. so think again..

anyway.. you cant always rely on builds, you also need a good set of crafted items..
and there is no perfect build.. the strength of the character comes from the strategy of the user..

for me ill still go for the int>con and str(for weapons and armors)
i want to enjoy the power of the skills whether nuke or fox form..
dont try so hard to build a perfect character.. because no matter how strong you have become, there are still strong ones ahead of you lolBad Grin
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Posted: Friday, August 31, 2007 2:57:39 AM
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STR based werefoxes are good in 1on1 specially against melee class, but how bout TW?? it is so lame if the only thing you can do is to run around debuff enemies bec of your HIGH def.. not having skills for nuking in TERRITORIAL WAR is boring lol..

but i think the idea of werefox-form is to be an "ANTI-MAGE"..

INT>str.con type vs INT>str.con type.. for example yao jing vs fa shi

fa shi nukes with magic attacks.. yao jing int have high mdef..
yao jing (fox form) do some p.attcks(remember magictools have p.attck damage also)...
fa shi has low p.def.. specially when debuffed..
and you can do all the mana drain, hp steal, "SLOW CAST", stun, increase received damage all of these +pet with casting interruption skill.. you dont need the skill that blinds the enemies..

INT vs Melee,
its true that melee can deal a huge damage against INT type, but dont forget that you can deal a huge m.damage also bec they have low m.def.. they have stun but yao jing also have skills that can paralyze them, harmony skill is your advantage, reflect and reduced received damage, poison, +pet with slow so you can run and cast again, and reduce magic def skills by your pet.. so think again..

anyway.. you cant always rely on builds, you also need a good set of crafted items..
and there is no perfect build.. the strength of the character comes from the strategy of the user..

for me ill still go for the int>con and str(for weapons and armors)
i want to enjoy the power of the skills whether nuke or fox form..
dont try so hard to build a perfect character.. because no matter how strong you have become, there are still strong ones ahead of you lolBad Grin
Ubaker
Posted: Friday, August 31, 2007 4:09:08 PM
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godstock wrote:
STR based werefoxes are good in 1on1 specially against melee class, but how bout TW?? it is so lame if the only thing you can do is to run around debuff enemies bec of your HIGH def.. not having skills for nuking in TERRITORIAL WAR is boring lol..


if you want to nuke someone then pick a caster build.Brick wall

fox are known for their debuffs. if you dont like doing that, then better pick another build/class Whistle
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Posted: Sunday, September 02, 2007 4:59:29 PM
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i pick both.. i just choose the right skills Shame on you
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Good build for the future.... 23k p.def not bad~

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That's so crazy o_o;

I want that :[

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