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OK, so everyone knows that MG = magic dmg, highest dmg in the game, waste alot of mp EA = highest physical dmg, can fly lv1 MG and Archer are both long ranged, both very weak in def, relatively low HP, built for hit-and-run method/kill-before-they-touch-you my question is....if everything is similar, then why pick Archer over Mage? since mage does the MOST dmg ingame and they never miss? is it b/c archers have faster cast? or b/c their range is longer? can someone explain to me? my concern is more geared towards end-game, not at low lvs.... 1. what is pros and cons of Mage over archer? 2. what ispros and cons of Archer over mage? 3. for lv60+ which is better for TW? 4. for lv60+ which is better for pvp? 5. for lv60+ which is better for party (zhen, fighting mobs, etc.)? 6. for lv60+ which is better for solo mob? thanks in advance 
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IMO take a WB/WF/EP... Isn t the answer at your question, but will regret later. PPL always need EP for healing and WB/WF for tanking.... Mages and archers: For boss quest you have to plea/boring guildmates for do it...... My mage is almost lvl 50, and afaik didn t see is requested in any pt. Im not able to make any lower fb alone nor helpin none without support of mentioned classes. A wf/wb can farm restless... Anyway worst is the mage for some archers we re "dead meat" an easy target, for pk... Rage Quit guild master have published a guide for PK ppl... Mage are the easiest target in his personal ladder. Good luck for your choice whatever will be. PS This is my personal opinion don t flame plz
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NeruArk wrote:IMO take a WB/WF/EP...
Isn t the answer at your question, but will regret later.
PPL always need EP for healing and WB/WF for tanking....
Mages and archers:
For boss quest you have to plea/boring guildmates for do it......
My mage is almost lvl 50, and afaik didn t see is requested in any pt.
Im not able to make any lower fb alone nor helpin none without support of mentioned classes.
A wf/wb can farm restless...
Anyway worst is the mage for some archers we re "dead meat" an easy target, for pk...
Rage Quit guild master have published a guide for PK ppl... Mage are the easiest target in his personal ladder.
Good luck for your choice whatever will be.
PS
This is my personal opinion don t flame plz i know....but my gf has an EP i think WB is boring...or at least around my level. WF...idk, i feel isnt too useful later on? correct me if im wrong. i heard they're just good solo lv1-80. so i was considering Mage vs. Archer (i like high dmg classes)
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Mage do Insane damage Archer are bit good better in Pvp compare the mage.... If want a mage go for a pure int build, it is great. Or anyway go for hybrid one..... Archers have good spike dmg for high crit rate.... Agi build is recommended...  .. greetz
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Mage=pure dps and main attacker.
Archer=pvp and is second best at dps and attacker in party.
Mages are weak in pvp cuz of low def and low hp, and Archer has a high evade, good against warriors or WB, and high crit, including that they can atk from a distance. They have a longer range than mages, but their damage is reduced by 50% if the monster gets too close to you. Mages waste a HUGE ton of pots. Some of their skills even at lvl 35ish cost 100 mp EACH to cast. Pretty weak at solo because of long cast times and high mana costs. They are most wanted in an AOE party because of their awesome fire AOE at lvl 29. Before that, they are really tough to lvl, so says some mage friends. But in the late game, we're talking really late, 90+ They are always wanted in parties.
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1. Mage over Archer. You will always be wanted in high lvl parties. They never miss (magic never misses), and have high damage. Cons. Bad at pvp. Bad at solo.
2. Archer over mage. Can solo a bit easier than mage. 2nd best as dps for parties, less mp cost. High evade and accuracy and crit, so they make the ultimate pk class (some argue otherwise, but archers are good mage killers).
3. For TW? I think Mage, someone check me on that. At really high lvls, 90+, Im definitely sure that mage is better.
4. Pvp? Hands down its the archer here.
5. For party, like I said, Mage is 1st choice for DPS, and Archer is a close 2nd.
6. Solo, again, Archer wins this one. Although you would much rather have a party than go solo!
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GenesisFoundationXII wrote:Mage=pure dps and main attacker.
Archer=pvp and is second best at dps and attacker in party.
Mages are weak in pvp cuz of low def and low hp, and Archer has a high evade, good against warriors or WB, and high crit, including that they can atk from a distance. They have a longer range than mages, but their damage is reduced by 50% if the monster gets too close to you. Mages waste a HUGE ton of pots. Some of their skills even at lvl 35ish cost 100 mp EACH to cast. Pretty weak at solo because of long cast times and high mana costs. They are most wanted in an AOE party because of their awesome fire AOE at lvl 29. Before that, they are really tough to lvl, so says some mage friends. But in the late game, we're talking really late, 90+ They are always wanted in parties.
So...
Answers.
1. Mage over Archer. You will always be wanted in high lvl parties. They never miss (magic never misses), and have high damage. Cons. Bad at pvp. Bad at solo.
2. Archer over mage. Can solo a bit easier than mage. 2nd best as dps for parties, less mp cost. High evade and accuracy and crit, so they make the ultimate pk class (some argue otherwise, but archers are good mage killers).
3. For TW? I think Mage, someone check me on that. At really high lvls, 90+, Im definitely sure that mage is better.
4. Pvp? Hands down its the archer here.
5. For party, like I said, Mage is 1st choice for DPS, and Archer is a close 2nd.
6. Solo, again, Archer wins this one. Although you would much rather have a party than go solo! wow i see, well that helps alot then, thanks sooo soo much. I'm more of a AoE + high dmg person...only reason why i was considering archer is b/c i've heard they are number one for TW... As for PK...would be nice to rock it, but not a big deal for me b/c i dont go PK unless someone PK's me first. Though to contradict u, i've heard Mage vs Archer in pvp....it depends and sometimes mages beat them. i was also hoping to get someone like Ice_water or washburn to second the info u guys gave me here, nto that i dont trust u guys...but they have answered alot of questions, and i want to see their take on this as well. though they seem to nto be interested lol
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Ahmm, im playing in PWPH im A Ligrht arMo fashi currently lvl 92, i got no con but my normal HP is 4.1k with HP buffs it will be 5.3k..
In my experience during pvp with Ym i mostly win, if full chi i always win.. i only lose mostly on Yj and Robe type Fashi..
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Archers have arrow AOE skill at lvl 59. It is a purely physical attack and sometimes miss but it does a lot more damage than Mage fire AOE skill both in terms of normal hit and a high chance to critical with each hit. In terms of economics, Archer AOE is the most expensive because they use up more MP/sec and have additional costs for arrows. When level 59+, mage and archer are ranked equally in AOE parties.
Heavy armor mage can be really powerful.
In PvP, mage vs archer is dependent on whether or not the archer can successfully stun the mage.
In terms of ease of solo play, archer is probably the better choice. Mage can solo and be good at it but archer just does it better.
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meow wrote:Archers have arrow AOE skill at lvl 59. It is a purely physical attack and sometimes miss but it does a lot more damage than Mage fire AOE skill both in terms of normal hit and a high chance to critical with each hit. In terms of economics, Archer AOE is the most expensive because they use up more MP/sec and have additional costs for arrows. When level 59+, mage and archer are ranked equally in AOE parties.
Heavy armor mage can be really powerful.
In PvP, mage vs archer is dependent on whether or not the archer can successfully stun the mage.
In terms of ease of solo play, archer is probably the better choice. Mage can solo and be good at it but archer just does it better. Archers are really a better AOE? Is it because the skill is +200% weapon damage added and the mage one is only 100%? For Archer AOE, it might be more expensive, but other skills are cheaper than mage skills. Also, the mages get their AOE 30 lvls before archers.
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Sorry for the belated reply but I can never log in to the forum from home for some reason... it always gives me a server error... GenesisFoundationXII wrote:Archers are really a better AOE? Is it because the skill is +200% weapon damage added and the mage one is only 100%? For Archer AOE, it might be more expensive, but other skills are cheaper than mage skills. Also, the mages get their AOE 30 lvls before archers. Archer AOE lvl 10: 200% + 4585.6 540MP/3s Mage AOE lvl 10: 100% + 4458.2 300MP/3s At lvl 59, Archer AOE lvl 1: 110% + 2627.2 360MP/3s At lvl 59, Mage AOE lvl 7: 100% + 3200.6 240MP/3s Based off of my own experience, I don't know any mages who actually leveled their AOE skill to over lvl 5 (100% + 2462.2) and any archers who leveled their AOE skill to over lvl 4 (140% + 3227.8). Archers at lvl 59 have a fairly high chance to deal criticals per monster (but also miss every now and then). Most of the time, if I'm in an AOE party with a mage and an archer of similar levels, the mobs usually hit the archer due to the archer's higher damage. The statement that archer skills are cheaper than mage skills is somewhat misleading as well. Overall, I would agree mages have a higher MP cost. However, keep in mind that archers have to spam skills all the time as well and they have less MP to work with (due to lower int). Percentage-wise, archers probably use as much MP as mages.
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Oh ok. So mage AOE is 100% matk from the start. But...What about the archer's minimum range thing? Doesn't apply?
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Doesn't apply.
A mage friend of mine told me that archer lvl 3 AOE is about the same as mage lvl 6 AOE. However, he had lvl 6+ AOE and when we partied with an archer with lvl 2 AOE, the mobs were still hitting the archer.
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