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can i have some data of your Archers? Options
tekie
Posted: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 9:01:51 PM
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I wanna test sth.
It would be great if u can give me those data about your archer:

level:
AGI/DEX:
Mastery lvl or % bonus:
RINGs attack bonus:
ARROW attack bonus:
Ranged WEAPON's Min - Max Attack (+ special bonus like +12 atk or +12 max attack:
Min - Max Attack which is shown ingame, when u press "C":
GenesisFoundationXII
Posted: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 9:26:21 PM
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Pure Dex Archer
lvl:31
DEX: 150
STR:30
Mastery: 6%
Rings: Total 43 (19) (19+5)
Arrow atk bonus: 3
Weapon: Crossbow 143-333 +25 atk
Damage: 502-892
Ice_water
Posted: Thursday, January 03, 2008 2:07:26 PM
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level: 96
AGI/DEX/VIT : 416/110/57
Mastery lvl or % bonus:60%
RINGs attack bonus: total 176
ARROW attack bonus: 75
Ranged WEAPON's Min - Max Attack : cross bow 813-1705 +100dmg 2slot+50dmg
Min - Max Attack : 5725-9623

tekie
Posted: Thursday, January 03, 2008 9:44:32 PM
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Ice_water wrote:
level: 96
AGI/DEX/VIT : 416/110/57
Ranged WEAPON's Min - Max Attack : cross bow 813-1705 +100dmg 2slot+50dmg


1. u mean 416 agi or?
2. does the bow has 813-1705 atk and bonus of: +100+50+50 or +100+50
3. arrows gives really 75? or do you mean 45?

PS: thank you for the info Smile.

edit: i ask because i wanna have the full dmg formula for archer.
Ice_water
Posted: Friday, January 04, 2008 12:56:13 AM
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tekie wrote:
Ice_water wrote:
level: 96
AGI/DEX/VIT : 416/110/57
Ranged WEAPON's Min - Max Attack : cross bow 813-1705 +100dmg 2slot+50dmg


1. u mean 416 agi or?
2. does the bow has 813-1705 atk and bonus of: +100+50+50 or +100+50
3. arrows gives really 75? or do you mean 45?

PS: thank you for the info Smile.

edit: i ask because i wanna have the full dmg formula for archer.

1. 416 agi
2. 813-1705 OP : +100 dmg , 2 stone lv8 (one stone +25)
3. 75 not 45

tekie
Posted: Friday, January 04, 2008 9:14:32 PM
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okay, hm...
The first term seems to be correct (still not 100%):
[NewAGI*0,01*(equip atk + level)]

but the 2nd term seems to be not correct so far.
1: + [equip atk * mastery] + LvL*40:37
2: + [equip atk * mastery] + LvL + 4
3: + [(equip atk + LvL )* mastery] + 4


The 3rd option seems to be nearly okay.. but not 100% fine.

info: new agi = 2/3*agi and rounding the result. (because every 3rd agi point is not increasing the dmg)
GenesisFoundationXII
Posted: Friday, January 04, 2008 11:29:27 PM
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for me it does. 4 dmg points on the maximum from one agi.
Ice_water
Posted: Saturday, January 05, 2008 3:29:31 AM
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tekie wrote:
okay, hm...
The first term seems to be correct (still not 100%):
[NewAGI*0,01*(equip atk + level)]

but the 2nd term seems to be not correct so far.
1: + [equip atk * mastery] + LvL*40:37
2: + [equip atk * mastery] + LvL + 4
3: + [(equip atk + LvL )* mastery] + 4


The 3rd option seems to be nearly okay.. but not 100% fine.

info: new agi = 2/3*agi and rounding the result. (because every 3rd agi point is not increasing the dmg)

500% weapon'dmg = double dmg

tekie
Posted: Saturday, January 05, 2008 1:55:13 PM
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The problem is, i have not enough data to test around. i had alot of data (over 150 lines) for lvl 36, to find out the first term is quite accurate.

I got now one line of data from lvl 3, 38, 31, 61, 96. That means 5 data lines.. quite less to say the formula is okay now -_-.
The mistake for the first and 2nd formula was very great for Ice-water's data (50 atk too low). Just the 3rd one had low failure (10 atk wrong or sth like that).
So, when u really made no mistake with writing down your data, ice. Then Forumla 1 and 2 are incorrect. Formula 3 is nearly okay.

3. [NewAGI*0,01*(equip atk + level)]+ [(equip atk + LvL )* mastery] + 4
I changed this one to:
the new 3. [NewAGI*0,01*(equip atk + level)]+ [(equip atk + LvL - 2 )* mastery]
To minimize mistake ^^.

"500% weapon'dmg = double dmg" what do you wanna tell me with this? ^^
If u are referring to skills dmg calculation.. na better dont. Perhaps it is quite different from the skill description. I just wanna find out how to calculate the dmg show pressing "C".

PS:
would be great if u could take of arrows, rings, so that your total equipment atk is lower. Then tell me what you took of and what was the new "C"-dmg.
!!! dont take of items which gives agi !! agi must be constant.

if i am allowed to.. This is the thread we are discussing those formula:
http://asiapworld.com/pwforum/viewtopic.php?t=173&sid=6d0313868185fc74aea820f9a4b03c9c
Ice_water
Posted: Saturday, January 05, 2008 3:45:00 PM
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tekie wrote:
The problem is, i have not enough data to test around. i had alot of data (over 150 lines) for lvl 36, to find out the first term is quite accurate.

I got now one line of data from lvl 3, 38, 31, 61, 96. That means 5 data lines.. quite less to say the formula is okay now -_-.
The mistake for the first and 2nd formula was very great for Ice-water's data (50 atk too low). Just the 3rd one had low failure (10 atk wrong or sth like that).
So, when u really made no mistake with writing down your data, ice. Then Forumla 1 and 2 are incorrect. Formula 3 is nearly okay.

3. [NewAGI*0,01*(equip atk + level)]+ [(equip atk + LvL )* mastery] + 4
I changed this one to:
the new 3. [NewAGI*0,01*(equip atk + level)]+ [(equip atk + LvL - 2 )* mastery]
To minimize mistake ^^.

"500% weapon'dmg = double dmg" what do you wanna tell me with this? ^^
If u are referring to skills dmg calculation.. na better dont. Perhaps it is quite different from the skill description. I just wanna find out how to calculate the dmg show pressing "C".

PS:
would be great if u could take of arrows, rings, so that your total equipment atk is lower. Then tell me what you took of and what was the new "C"-dmg.
!!! dont take of items which gives agi !! agi must be constant.

if i am allowed to.. This is the thread we are discussing those formula:
http://asiapworld.com/pwforum/viewtopic.php?t=173&sid=6d0313868185fc74aea820f9a4b03c9c


After fairy chi (+500%weapon'dmg )


20150/9500 = 2.121052631
2.121052631*5521 = 11710.33157

Mastery add 60%/500%*2.121052631=0.25452631572 x100% = 25.452631572% dmg

tekie
Posted: Saturday, January 05, 2008 4:29:33 PM
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Ice_water wrote:

After fairy chi (+500%weapon'dmg )


20150/9500 = 2.121052631
2.121052631*5521 = 11710.33157

Mastery add 60%/500%*2.121052631=0.25452631572 x100% = 25.452631572% dmg


okay i understand the first 2 lines. dmg is 2,12 higher..
but I dont understand the 3rd line...
u mean sth like 2,12*60/560 or? When it is (mastery + 500%), then this would show u, how much mastery affects your dmg with your lvl, equip atk at the moment

And as i said before, i wanna only find out normal dmg formula. Not how skills are calculated in. logical would be if i get 12 % mastery, that i get 12 % more dmg, but as you see in the formula and as u see ingame, that doesnt happen. Dont ask me why..
Tugudug
Posted: Saturday, January 05, 2008 5:28:04 PM
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Agi/Dex : 420
Lvl : 100
Weapon atk:lvl98XbowMold+8 = 1088-2070 + 2 lvl 8 crimson =64 (32x2)
Atk:7351-12904
bolt: 75
rings: 110 + 85
Atk Buffs: lvl 10 bow mastery lvl 10 atk buff of YS

tekie
Posted: Saturday, January 05, 2008 7:41:48 PM
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Tugudug wrote:
Agi/Dex : 420
Lvl : 100
Weapon atk:lvl98XbowMold+8 = 1088-2070 + 2 lvl 8 crimson =64 (32x2)
Atk:7351-12904
bolt: 75
rings: 110 + 85
Atk Buffs: lvl 10 bow mastery lvl 10 atk buff of YS



thank you for info. can u later add your atk without lvl 10 atk buff of YS?
lvl 10 bow mastery = 60% or?
GenesisFoundationXII
Posted: Saturday, January 05, 2008 8:01:21 PM
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Quote:
PS:
would be great if u could take of arrows, rings, so that your total equipment atk is lower. Then tell me what you took of and what was the new "C"-dmg.
!!! dont take of items which gives agi !! agi must be constant.


Sorry, All my equips give agi.
Oops. Except for one ring. I'll test and give you the data now.
Except that I lvled already. So if you want I will give the data for my current lvl with and without the ring.
But I dont think there is a different formula for ring atk or bow atk. It should be the same kind of atk.
tekie
Posted: Saturday, January 05, 2008 8:37:38 PM
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@GenesisFoundationXII: thank you, but i think it makes no big difference. because your lvl is that near to mine ^^. could need data of higher lvl. because the 2nd term including mastery and lvl is not absolute correct now.

@ice: why is your attack lower on the screenshot, than it was when u posted your data?
I tried sth out with the data you gave me before:
with 60% mastery:
you told me: 5725-9623
calculated: 5721,5-9619,54

with (60%+500%) mastery because of this skill:
calculated: 12261,5-20619,54

(tata.. got the same dmgfactor: 2,14)

@tugudug: do you have around 6694-11014 without the YS-buff?
GenesisFoundationXII
Posted: Saturday, January 05, 2008 11:22:58 PM
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ok
Ice_water
Posted: Sunday, January 06, 2008 4:20:04 AM
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tekie wrote:
Ice_water wrote:

After fairy chi (+500%weapon'dmg )


20150/9500 = 2.121052631
2.121052631*5521 = 11710.33157

Mastery add 60%/500%*2.121052631=0.25452631572 x100% = 25.452631572% dmg


okay i understand the first 2 lines. dmg is 2,12 higher..
but I dont understand the 3rd line...
u mean sth like 2,12*60/560 or? When it is (mastery + 500%), then this would show u, how much mastery affects your dmg with your lvl, equip atk at the moment

And as i said before, i wanna only find out normal dmg formula. Not how skills are calculated in. logical would be if i get 12 % mastery, that i get 12 % more dmg, but as you see in the formula and as u see ingame, that doesnt happen. Dont ask me why..

i use skill calculation.
i have test with oether weapon , +500% weapon'dmg (weapon + ring) alway is 2.121052631
Now i want find how much percent % dmg's skill is normal hit . 500% = 1.121052631 and 446.01% = normal hit . with bow mastery lv 10(60%dmg) , i have 113.45263% base dmg

Eh? so Heaven flame arrow +13.45263%dmg


tekie
Posted: Sunday, January 06, 2008 1:35:23 PM
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reffering to this: (equip atk + level)*[NewAGI*0,01 + mastery]

try out this:
(dmg with 500%) * (newAGI*0,01+160) /(newAGI*0,01+660)= your normal dmg
with 417 agi -> factor 2,14

the question is now.. why do you calculate this -_-.

what is heaven flame arrow? do you mean the buff which increases your dmg with fire addon?
The effect of this buff is NOT shown when u press "C" !!
Ice_water
Posted: Sunday, January 06, 2008 1:57:31 PM
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tekie wrote:
reffering to this: (equip atk + level)*[NewAGI*0,01 + mastery]

try out this:
(dmg with 500%) * (newAGI*0,01+160) /(newAGI*0,01+660)= your normal dmg
with 417 agi -> factor 2,14

the question is now.. why do you calculate this -_-.

what is heaven flame arrow? do you mean the buff which increases your dmg with fire addon?
The effect of this buff is NOT shown when u press "C" !!


Read this to get more information Laughing
http://pw-forum.onlinewelten.com/yaf_postst2184_FAQS--Wing-Archer.aspx

Because some ppl say flame arrow doent add dmg Wink I know "The effect of flame arrow buff is NOT shown when u press "C" "

tekie
Posted: Sunday, January 06, 2008 3:27:25 PM
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okay ^^. that one is called blazing arrow in MY-Eng.

if it it is really (mastery + % of skill) then you will find out that this blazing arrow adds the same absolut amount to the dmg (like mastery does) doesnt matter if you are hybrid or pure. Thus for a hybrid the % might be higher than for a pure.

(equip atk + level)*(% of blazing arrow) to find out what it adds. not that much -_-.
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