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fredal
Posted: Monday, August 27, 2007 4:26:38 PM
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My Wuxia is only Lv.15, and im considering of taking the path of Claw/Fist weapons.

It kinda looks like that they have a great potential....since Claw/Fist wuxias will be Dex-based...this would mean that they will be doing Criticals....and pair that with the attack speed of Claw/Fist....you will be Critting like crazy, right? Doesnt anybody want this? Im aware that Claw/Fist's damage sucks, but with its attack speed, you will be attacking like 3-4 times for every 2 attacks of maybe a dual sword....does it not make up for that? e.g. dual sword damage 100; claw/fist 60 (but you attack/hit more)....thus, sword damage: 2x100=200; claw/fist:3x60=180 or 4x60=240...not bad, right?

So...im just wondering why there isnt much Claw/Fist Wuxias around?

Need your comments....while im still deciding on what path to take for my Wuxia.
Thanks ahead.
MidniteBlaze
Posted: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 2:44:03 AM
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Ice_water
Posted: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 3:21:12 AM
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fredal wrote:
My Wuxia is only Lv.15, and im considering of taking the path of Claw/Fist weapons.

It kinda looks like that they have a great potential....since Claw/Fist wuxias will be Dex-based...this would mean that they will be doing Criticals....and pair that with the attack speed of Claw/Fist....you will be Critting like crazy, right? Doesnt anybody want this? Im aware that Claw/Fist's damage sucks, but with its attack speed, you will be attacking like 3-4 times for every 2 attacks of maybe a dual sword....does it not make up for that? e.g. dual sword damage 100; claw/fist 60 (but you attack/hit more)....thus, sword damage: 2x100=200; claw/fist:3x60=180 or 4x60=240...not bad, right?

So...im just wondering why there isnt much Claw/Fist Wuxias around?

Need your comments....while im still deciding on what path to take for my Wuxia.
Thanks ahead.


Look p.atk of claw weapon . Alway have half dmg with other weapon

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Posted: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 3:42:04 AM

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Arael
Posted: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 12:38:37 PM
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Think about it,

If a guy has 1000 defence


Your attack with claw is like 950

Your Attack with dual sword is like 1200

Dual sword = 200 damage a hit x 2 = 400
Claw = 1 damage a hit x 4 = 4

I know the numbers are well off but it was just to illustrate my point.

Although again mages claws ftw? they get alot of stop casting skills / disruption ones

jefrey83
Posted: Friday, August 31, 2007 2:12:26 AM
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Arael wrote:
Think about it,

If a guy has 1000 defence


Your attack with claw is like 950

Your Attack with dual sword is like 1200

Dual sword = 200 damage a hit x 2 = 400
Claw = 1 damage a hit x 4 = 4

I know the numbers are well off but it was just to illustrate my point.

Although again mages claws ftw? they get alot of stop casting skills / disruption ones



Claw crit attack = 950x2 = 1900 +Burst = 4600

Claw type can attack faster adn can generate cp much faster also with a crit build in can do massive damage even though its physical attack power is only half as other also they won't hit you that muchSmile

Ice_water
Posted: Friday, August 31, 2007 4:52:43 AM
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jefrey83 wrote:
Arael wrote:
Think about it,

If a guy has 1000 defence


Your attack with claw is like 950

Your Attack with dual sword is like 1200

Dual sword = 200 damage a hit x 2 = 400
Claw = 1 damage a hit x 4 = 4

I know the numbers are well off but it was just to illustrate my point.

Although again mages claws ftw? they get alot of stop casting skills / disruption ones



Claw crit attack = 950x2 = 1900 +Burst = 4600

Claw type can attack faster adn can generate cp much faster also with a crit build in can do massive damage even though its physical attack power is only half as other also they won't hit you that muchSmile


Remember , can't evade magic , have never miss skill

Sharyn
Posted: Saturday, September 01, 2007 3:56:08 AM

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u know whats mainstream? ^^

thats why

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NakedAngel
Posted: Saturday, September 01, 2007 5:02:33 AM

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Claw's bad for lvling, you have to kill monster 1 by 1. In FB no one'll want you. Later stages you'll start learning little money.

These are the bad things

Good things are, cheap golden weapons, save money (pot money)


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dmnslayr
Posted: Saturday, October 06, 2007 6:21:15 AM
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Ice_water wrote:
jefrey83 wrote:
Arael wrote:
Think about it,

If a guy has 1000 defence


Your attack with claw is like 950

Your Attack with dual sword is like 1200

Dual sword = 200 damage a hit x 2 = 400
Claw = 1 damage a hit x 4 = 4

I know the numbers are well off but it was just to illustrate my point.

Although again mages claws ftw? they get alot of stop casting skills / disruption ones



Claw crit attack = 950x2 = 1900 +Burst = 4600

Claw type can attack faster adn can generate cp much faster also with a crit build in can do massive damage even though its physical attack power is only half as other also they won't hit you that muchSmile


Remember , can't evade magic , have never miss skill


Yea but doesn't the medium armor gear (the one that requires larger amounts of dex) give a lot larger amount of MDEF compared to the heavy armor gear that a axe/hammer Wuxia would be using.

Personally I think that the whole high dex = bad against mage thing is crap. Because there is no way a Strength Wuxia could possibly ever have as much MDEF as a DEX Wuxia simple because of the gear differences.
aznboi1021
Posted: Sunday, October 07, 2007 7:20:17 PM
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ok, the point is that dex wu xia is only good for pvp and 1 on 1, which has more downside to them then str-con build. Lets take a look

Dex:

Pro:
Fast, really really Fast
Crics are always nice
Nice Hit Rate
Good Dodge

Con:
Low damage

High hit rate is never really need agianst monsters

low hp

magic defense wouldnt matter, on count that mage will hit you hard anyways, might as well have more con to survive the hits

hard to level, so if you are planning to go on a level race agianst your friend, expect yourself to level slower then he does, if he isnt a fist build


Str-Con:

Pro:
if you are heavy weapon, really really good AOE

high hp, thats means can last longer agianst magic mobs then dex

speed isnt a factor, on count that they can skill spam

earn money easy, because they can kill mobs

higher defence

Higher damage

Con:
Low hit and evade

crics are rare

arent pvp material, more of a PVM



So bottom line is, Str-Con with glavie, axe, or etc is more PVM and Dex wu xia, such as claws is PVP. Im not saying Dex is bad, its good in higher level, but its the question if you want to level slower and get the reward of a good character later,and not being a part of PVM quest and earning party. So what i suggest is, make a good money making character, i.e werefox, or an aoe character. so you can support your fist wu xia with ease

Reztacio
Posted: Sunday, October 07, 2007 9:25:58 PM
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have u seen a fist type in PVP action?

can the speed of hit intervals overcome the damage that axes/blades can inflict?





aznboi1021
Posted: Monday, October 08, 2007 6:51:56 PM
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personally it doesnt matter, i fought at level 21 agianst a level 19 fist, thought its some level difference, i won by a mile. So early stage, the evade of a claw wu xia is not much to brag about. So speed is not the factor actually, since most of the power from the wu xia class is from skills. Its the evade and hits they get, also cric possiblity that makes them a threat. But they lack major hp and def, i won by 3/4 health.
Gaiden
Posted: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 5:33:08 PM
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Well maybe becouse they want to start using fists/claws in OB just like me, becouse Fist/Claw warriors will be strong in higher lvls and you cant really get high in 2 weeks.Think
PimpinG
Posted: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 6:18:41 PM

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in simple words... nobody wants claws or fists cuz they r for little kids who watch to much WWF.. real men fight with big axes, hammers or blade/swords

other then that

1) there weak
2) they look lame
3)claws/fist+solo is super hp potter
4) why have amszing fast weapons if you cant solo a single mob without a pot anyway

there fast though... and u can prolly dodge a lot of attacks... but thats the only thing

loudmouth of Wikiperia Smile


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jonnyg
Posted: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 11:48:20 PM

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aznboi1021 wrote:
personally it doesnt matter, i fought at level 21 agianst a level 19 fist, thought its some level difference, i won by a mile. So early stage, the evade of a claw wu xia is not much to brag about. So speed is not the factor actually, since most of the power from the wu xia class is from skills. Its the evade and hits they get, also cric possiblity that makes them a threat. But they lack major hp and def, i won by 3/4 health.


i dont know who you faced but they were sorry because my claw wuxia can beat any other wuxia the same lvl. I just know how to equip right
aznboi1021
Posted: Thursday, October 11, 2007 4:52:14 AM
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because at low level, their dex doesnt make a big difference to me. I can still skill them, so speed is not a factor in here. Also, you might attack twice as fast, but if i do 3 times as much damage on you, bascially i win. Also, if you have lower level armor and lower str then me, and i buff. i may have twice or if not maybe 500+ more defence point on you. So yeah, sure i may miss a few times, but i can cric and dodge too, just not as much as you guys do. And havent you figure it out?!!!! Low level doesnt have that much of an impact, also like a heavy sledgehammer, i might be slow, but if i brush you just a hair on your head or ribs, you going to feel the pain.
Seikan
Posted: Thursday, October 11, 2007 10:16:12 AM
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Pretty much first time playing PW so...
I played a boxer in the cob whatever event and got up to 41. I can't really say much because it's still not enough to play with imo. Anyway, i'll try to keep things short on my opinions but I'm still pretty new to game.



1v1 - great vs melee during 1-40, not sure about past since I didn't lvl far enough. Hard to fight against casters, again new to this sort of pvp so, could be wrong.
PvE - meh. Mixed feelings, even with 30% dodge still getting hit a lot. Always broke due to buying potions. Dodge worthless during bosses, not a whole lot of AOE's for parties later on. Can't tank.
FB's - I really didnt do anything but stun during mobs, during bosses just let it auto attack while using my fury skill. Using skills as fist just lowered my dps because of the cast time imo.
I'll probably play a boxer during ob, not sure yet.

Dunno what to add right now...anyway my pdef is a joke huh :P
Durability+ is such a worthless stat btw...wish it wasn't there.

GenesisFoundationXII
Posted: Friday, October 12, 2007 2:40:09 AM
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PW based on skills, not attacks. Claw/fist is made for speed, not skills. End of Story
Reztacio
Posted: Thursday, October 18, 2007 4:23:56 AM
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i think fist wu xia's are nice Smile

i read a post saying that if a wu xia gets 12% crit he/she will get a crit every 4 hits and i think this makes the fist wu xia deadly in close range coz crits cancel skills ^^

as for def when matched with another wu xia or yao shou... evade kicks in.

the biggest con in this is lvling or fighting mobs :S



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