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aznboi1021
Posted: Sunday, July 29, 2007 3:50:02 AM
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Well, WuXia being the most varistile class there is. With all the weapons and builds there can be, its time to clean up this, Con Vs Dex mess. Note: I nevered played this game before, i just been doing alot of reading and research.

Lets look at the 2 stats:

Dex
-Increase Atk Acc, Evade, and Cric Rate

Con

-Increase Hp (Does not increase defence as said by the stats builder on wiki.perfectworld.cc)


Awww... Con. The stat that keeps you alive. The stat that give you just a bit more chance of surviving. And the stat that most players keep saying is so vital. Why?

Here are several reason (as said by players that i came across on this forum):


-Monsters Hits Hard
-You Wont need to pot so much, thus saving money
-Magic hits you hard, and you can't dodge it
-Mobs will kill you so fast, and your evade be worthless(I dont think this is true, there should be some dodge)


Wow, Con does seem important dont it? Well, i do agree that con is important. It keeps us alive.

Now lets Look at Dex. Well, dex plays a huge role in Wu Xia built. Since Wu Xia is dex based, dex is our friend. And what does our friend bring?:


- Helps us dodge alot of attacks
- Crics are always nice, and outdamage normal damage attacks (so basically more damage)
- SPEED,SPEED,SPEED
- Most of your weapons need dex, also


Wow, Doesnt both sides bring good things. Well, since both are so good, why dont we compared them to each other now? Say a PVP situation. Then we will do a Mob situation, and a PVM 1 on 1 situation. But before we go to that. Shouldn't we check out how these stats add up?

Lets take a level 89 2 str 3 dex Dual sword built (wearing light armor, and bascially all possiblitly good gear) vs a level 89 2 str 2 dex 1 con (tho im not sure will anyone make this built, but its just an example)


Level 89 : 2 str 3 dex Dual Sword

Con: 5
Str: 181
Int: 5
Dex: 269

HP: 2920
MP: 1629
Atk: 816
P.Def:1530
Magic: 1

Cric %: 14
Atk Spd: 0.9
Hit: 2690
Eva: 3114(WOW)
Move: 5

Resistance

Metal: 2192
Water: 2192
Fire: 2192
Earth: 2192



Level 89 : 2 str 2 dex 1 con Dual S.

Con: 93
Str: 181
Int: 5
Dex: 181

HP: 4240
MP: 1629
Atk: 816
Magic: 1

Cric %: 10
Atk Spd: 0.9
Hit: 1810
Eva: 2234
Move: 5

Resistance

Metal: 2192
Water: 2192
Fire: 2192
Earth: 2192



So thats bascially how you might expect a Con vs Dex build battle would be. As we can clearly see, The Con build blows out the Dex build in Hp by 1k and more. But there attack and defence is the same. But lets look at what the dex bring. OO, 3k eva, and 2.6 k hit,and the con only has 180 hit and 2.2k eva. That means the dex would hit him all the time, while the Con build will be struggling to hit him.

So which is better? Well, its more of a HUGE meat shield vs a slim well oiled Boxer. As you can see the Con side what be hitting you so much, because of the low hit and the high eva the dex has. And The Dex will be hitting the Con alot, because the Dex will have a superior hit rate and cric rate. So hard and accurate hits, might win the match. More over then putting out a long fun.


So image this:

Dex Hitting Con= BAM 500 damage, CRIC 1k, CRIC 1k, CRIC 1k, 500

Con hitting dex= Bam 500, miss, miss, 500, miss, 1k


When it comes down to a pvp situation, seems like a DEX build is better. I seriously dont advise you making a CON Wu Xia. It just doesnt really make sense. Thats what the werebeast class is for. IT IS A TANKING CLASS. A Wu Xia is a damaging, pvp, AOE, or etc, it is pretty much anything BUT a tanking class. Since a Wu Xia can use axe, spear, and swords. It covers the 2 damages: AOE and singles


WOW, that was some heavy read? Well since, I prefer Dex class, and its kind of hard for me to accept that a con build is better then dex build. Unless you show me some vids or strong evidence. Then I might consider taking back my words. But while we are at it, why dont we check out Wu Xia Dex Build(Above) vs a Con Build Werebeast(3 str, 1 dex, 1 con..... you need the dex for weapon -_-).



Level 89 : 2 str 3 dex Dual Sword Wu Xia

Con: 5
Str: 181
Int: 5
Dex: 269

HP: 2920
MP: 1629
Atk: 816
P.Def:1530
Magic: 1

Cric %: 14
Atk Spd: 0.9
Hit: 2690
Eva: 3114(WOW)
Move: 5

Resistance

Metal: 2192
Water: 2192
Fire: 2192
Earth: 2192



Level 89 : 3str 1dex 1 con Dual Axe WereBeast

Con: 93
Str: 269
Int: 5
Dex: 93

HP: 4778
Mp:1267
Atk: 855
P.def: 3861 (with defence gear)
Magic: 1

Cric %: 6
Atk Spd: 0.8
Hit: 744
Eva: 918
Move: 4.9

Resistance

Metal: 1412
Water: 1412
Fire: 1412
Earth: 1412


WOW, check out that DP and HP, its even higher then Wu Xia, and man isnt that damage High. But check out that cric, atk spd, hit, eva, and move. Its all lower then Wu Xia. Its bascially a big fat guy with a sludgehammer, about to smash on you. So its ethier dodge or die. This class can go ethier way, since the battle will be very long, due to the increased Defence of the werebeast. But maybe its going all dodge and crics for wu xia, and easy sail win for him. Btw i gave werebeast more Defence, because its a tanking class.

Sorry i cant do a mob and monster comparison, because I can find the monster information. Anyways, i think the dodge will kick in.

Here are Some of my final words:

DEX BUILT WITHOUT CON IS NOT THAT BAD

EVADING ATTACKS IS BETTER THEN TAKING THEM

IF YOU ARE GOING TO TAKE DAMAGE FROM MAGIC AND USE POTS ANYWAYS, WHY NOT SPARE THOSE POINTS FOR CRICS AND HITS?

Well, thats what i think, DEX VS CON, dex mostly likely won win. Agianst one on one monster? Iono, dex might actually do pretty good too

well, those are words from a guy that didnt even play the game, or have over 5 post. =p


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Posted: Sunday, July 29, 2007 8:50:29 AM
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its like a complete puzzle of every wuxia guide in this forum.. hehehe..
aznboi1021
Posted: Sunday, July 29, 2007 9:02:49 AM
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Ya, it so hard to choose now.

My choice are stucked between Dual Sword 2 str 3 dex, for pvp and general training
or the all important 3 str 1 dex 1 con Dual Axe wtih AOE skills.

Or the Spear class, really hard to choose.
Ice_water
Posted: Sunday, July 29, 2007 11:36:14 AM
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Did u have see 2 Wu Xia PVP Laughing

Ling Yu ring : +50%accuracy
Heaven world dual blade(Legend):
Crit+4%
Accuracy+30%
STR +17

Laughing Dex Wu Xia will have a lot gift from VITA Wu Xia Laughing

And i have crit VITA light fox form 2k4 with physic skill

k3mistry
Posted: Monday, July 30, 2007 4:21:27 AM
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lol..aznboi is quite right in certain aspects.

except in pve...con > dex.

all dex and almost no con, u willdie so fast in dungeons or certain aoeparties before u can even blink an eye. POTS will not SAVE u in this game in dungeons....hp/mp trinkets from cash shop will...to make matters worse...with too low a hp pool...those wont save u too since a bulk of the mobs in dungeons are magic based.

have u ever tried getting pounded by 2 double dmg magic based L80+ mobs in dungeons? your life expectancy rate in that kinda situations is under 1 minute for a tank, like 10-20 seconds with low con lol...and thats with hp trinkets from cash shop. 2-4k+ dmg per nuke is no joke, not to mention u are getting it from 2 mobs..dont believe me? get to L8x and try running the dungeons and find some oduble dmg mobs...actually..even 3-4 normaldmg magic mobs is good enough to waste u before u even kill 1 of them.

some con is good...its always good to have some hp. the debatable questions are, how much con is enough and how much dex is enough? pve or pvp build or a balanced pve/pvp build? etc etc etc.

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Posted: Monday, July 30, 2007 4:31:17 AM

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i have to agree aznboi is right if you want to tank go with a werebeast thats what it was made for, if you want DPS and AOE go with wuxai

but you really do have to draw this to a fine line cus like k3m said you cant go all dex no con cause your bound to get hit right? its just to find the right balance





Ruaali
Posted: Monday, July 30, 2007 4:32:45 AM

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I'd like to point out that 4 con does indeed add 1 def. o;

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Posted: Monday, July 30, 2007 4:39:13 AM
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whether or not con adds def is debatable.

there are some people who say that con adds def.

i have played a 84 wx and an 85 ss but i have never seen con add def in any case or situation for me ever.

i used to thikn that con adds def, so i bought restats and restated 10 points of con...true enough, my def never changed ..the only statistic that changed here was my HP...

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Ruaali
Posted: Monday, July 30, 2007 4:45:41 AM

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I watched my def change by adding con to my Yu Ling...and I'm pretty sure it worked for my Yu Mang as well. Maybe it just varies by class. *shrug*

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aznboi1021
Posted: Monday, July 30, 2007 5:05:23 AM
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As Far as i know, con doesnt add DEFENCE FOR WU XIA, maybe other class yes

And I NEVER EVER PLAYED THIS GAME BEFORE. so I guess i might take the advice to add con

my question is how much con is enough. I was thinking, enough strength to wear my weapon/ armor of choice ( its going to be heavy armor, just lower level), and rest into dex. I problary spend one level isomng all my points in con. Its really hard to find a good balance.

I keep hearing how good Axes are with the AOE, but i just want to use swords. Axes i like how it has good aoe, but it has some much lending toward str. And since wu xia gets alot of benefits from dex, i want to use swords. But giving up str, means lower armor. And on top of that i need to add con somewhere. So iono, tell me how you guys split your stat points
Ice_water
Posted: Monday, July 30, 2007 8:08:26 AM
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aznboi1021 wrote:
As Far as i know, con doesnt add DEFENCE FOR WU XIA, maybe other class yes

And I NEVER EVER PLAYED THIS GAME BEFORE. so I guess i might take the advice to add con

my question is how much con is enough. I was thinking, enough strength to wear my weapon/ armor of choice ( its going to be heavy armor, just lower level), and rest into dex. I problary spend one level isomng all my points in con. Its really hard to find a good balance.

I keep hearing how good Axes are with the AOE, but i just want to use swords. Axes i like how it has good aoe, but it has some much lending toward str. And since wu xia gets alot of benefits from dex, i want to use swords. But giving up str, means lower armor. And on top of that i need to add con somewhere. So iono, tell me how you guys split your stat points

HP 5k+ is enough

Calvin
Posted: Monday, July 30, 2007 9:42:51 AM
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Well aznboi is right in a lot of aspects. However, this game isn't built on where you put your stats alone. It also relies on your ability to make judgement on what equips you use and how to gem them properly.

This being said, for classes who lack HP shoudl probably acquire equips which increase HP or HP regen.

Everyone should also take note how important crafting is.

Adding con is really up to the user. However, having 2.9k at lvl 80+ will be extremely suicidal. Especially when you could be one hit by dungeon monsters.
Vyver
Posted: Monday, July 30, 2007 8:41:59 PM

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How does this build sound like?

This is for dual Hammer/Axe build.
At lvl 105:
Str - 315
Dex - 150
Con - 70

With this build I will have 4170 HP, and 1500 Evasion / Hitrate with no gears. (4400 HP with lvl 91 helm, dunno if theres a higher one, highest I found in the stat builder)

Would that be enough HP to survive in dungeons?



jblake13
Posted: Monday, July 30, 2007 11:03:52 PM
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i have a question with the Wu Xia/human
if ur going for a mostaly dex build, wouldent u want to go with light armor, because it requires more dex?
and i have read aznboi1021s post and i see dual swords but, not single swords or claws/fists
wouldent claws/fists be good to because not only are they a dex weapon, they a faster attk spead then swords
btw im using claws

any help thx
aznboi1021
Posted: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 6:24:34 AM
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Well its kind of not good to go with light armor, since its more of magicial defence. You wont be needing that much, i mean you wouldnt go pick a fight with magic monsters would you? So you can just bascially wear lower level heavy armor. If you put 2 str in your build, you can wear all the heavy armor, but you just have to be one level higher then it.

Only reason i didnt put singe swords or axe, was that im not sure if this game had shields or not. Beside, not much people want to look for the common single sword, since PW offers alot of dual weapons. Claws/Fist wasnt included, because if you went that build, you have to have a min of 3 dex a level to wear all the fist at your level. So its going to be hard to build a fist/claw, i might suggest 1 str 3 dex 1 con. Then stop raising con when you feel its enough to survive. But if you do this, you wont be wearing any good armor soon. Only advantage to claw is that, its faster, more crics, running speed, hit, and eva. If you are planning to make this, prepare to use alot of money on cash shop hp gear. Or why not make an archer? It dont benefit as much from wu xia does from dex. But you get more damage, and the build 1 str 3 dex 1 con, will totally work out.


Btw, anyone got news on the perfect world MY server? I cant seem to get a resigter or client download. So i am waiting for a PW server to come out that i can play, really want to test out all these stuff.
Calvin
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To be honest, if I were to play a WuXia at a high level and I plan on doing mass pvp. I'd stick with Heavy armor.

If I'm going to duel a Fa shi. Then I'd probably wear Light armor for that fight just because I can.
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im making a balanced str/dex WuXia dual sword build. can wear all heavy/light armor and all wepons xept axes/hammers. if i would goto dungeon i would get into my light armor for mag. def. and have 3k+ mag def. thats quite alot and makes u tank magic mobs better than werebeast lol werebeasts can tank melees couse of their heavy armor and tons of hp but when it comes to magic mobs they can use only heavy armor and no light so they have quite a few K lower def and means they get higher dmg. when it comes to CON aye you will have like 1300 hp more on that comparation con vs. dex then tell me how many hits will it save you? yay you can survive exacly 1 hit more in the dungeon (ok maby few if u pay in cash shop) for 4-5% crit , 930 acc/dodge, and maby some speed LESS. but aye WuXia is NOT ment to be a tanker after all. does con add def or not is realy no point on higher lvls... OH NO I LOST 10 DEF? then you look at mage... werebeast is named TOAST vs. a mage then YOU look at a mage (WuXia sword build) and laugh so hearthly you dont know to attack or to stand still not to kill poor guy (skill to slow magic casting + light armor + stun) alas WuXia needs hp so u do need hp equipment to survive (any point to take anything other? i didint think so) since u can use heavy armor and light armor your survivability will be high altho not as high as werebeasts (they ARE tankers)

my stats on lv 89 heavy armor (normal equipment):
HP: 2920 MP: 1629
Atk: 851 P.Def: 3435
Magic: 1 [ Resistance ]
Crit(%): 12 Metal: 1412
Aspd: 0.91 Wood: 1412
Hit: 2250 Water: 1412
Evade: 2674 Fire: 1412
Move: 5 Earth: 1412

with light armor its 2192 resistance aswell. but lets look at werebeast... he has 780+ less mag def aye it is not much of a dif but it will help a bit. remember wuxia is not made to tank, werebeast tanks, wuxia kills wink








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Posted: Thursday, August 09, 2007 4:18:31 PM
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Well, I think you are all over thinking this.

In the end, it isn't going to matter all that much. Just choose what you think is cooler. Having lots of HP and hitting consistently or hoping for those huge crits.

Every build is going to be good at a certain thing. If you all keep trying to find the "perfect build" then this is going to turn into Maplestory.


aznboi1021
Posted: Thursday, August 09, 2007 10:21:22 PM
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well its not that we dont want to be the class that we want, we do, just getting a good character first will make the dream character easier to get, you know. If you have tons of cash or high level weapons you can handown to your dream chracter, why not? it helps doesnt it? Beside all games are like this
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Well in most mmos I played when it comes to PvE Con is always the better way to go. Why? Because when training against regular mobs they are set to have a really attack chance, that being said even if you have a shit load of dodge, its not going to be much of a difference. Thats why when I first start my char I'm leaning more on con then on dex later on when I see how it fairs out on pvp I use my credit card and I get a sweet restat ;3







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