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dexter
Posted: Thursday, July 26, 2007 1:28:25 PM

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lolz, i should say 50%-acc rings only affect basic acc (equipment + natural acc). They don't have effect on acc after using 200% acc skill,i.e if your basic acc is 600, after using the skill it will be 1800, then equip 2 50%-acc rings it will be 2400 (not 3600). This point make the way of using 2 50%-acc rings is a money-consuming way and so that not the best way to increase acc of werebeast.

Now, take a look at this example. Good acc-adding accessories (7x-8x) will have OP increasing about 100-160 acc (usually with 3 OPs look like: + 50 acc, +65 acc, + 5 DEX....etc). Assume that all 4 accessories (amulet, necklace, 2 rings) have OP of adding 120 acc., with weapon like you said before: +12 DEX, filled with 60 - 80 acc-adding stone (we'll use 60). Let total DEX be 60 (= about 480 acc).

- OK, with two 50% acc-adding rings (mean you don't use two 120 acc-adding rings) we'll have: 2*(480 + 60+ 2*120)=1560. If we use the skill, acc will be 1560*3 = 4680.

- With one 50% acc-adding rings, we'll have 1.5*(480+60+3*120)=1350. Use the skill then it will be 1380*3=4050. This is quite enough to pvp agaist acher.

- If we don't use 50% acc-adding rings, we'll have 480+ 60 +4*120=1020. Use the skill then it will be 1020*3=3060. Isn't it ok!?

With very good rings you will have about 150 acc each ring or even more, while each 50% acc-adding ring cost about 15-20mil Gold, which can buy about 50 - 70 Golden HP/MP charms for months of trainning (yeah, i'm sure the price will reduce later in game but now we can craft 10% - 30%acc-adding for necklace 8x-9x and maybe with some better OPs also).

Actually, this only neccessary in pvp. Since i like walking around or trainning, my first priority is rings adding %crit and physical dmg, necklaces and amulets adding HP, def, -% dmg taken...

Tee heee, sry, i forgot here is human mage topic! Laughing

Now back to mage:Laughing If you're going to use heavy-geared mages, you won't be able to use equipments having OP -% delay time or something like this. This is an important Op for magical races. So you should consider about it.:d
Ice_water
Posted: Thursday, July 26, 2007 1:39:27 PM
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Have 2 lam van ring better than 1 ring

k3mistry
Posted: Thursday, July 26, 2007 2:01:18 PM
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i presume wat icewater meant by lam vang ring to be ling yun ring aka +50% acc ring.

no actually having 2 X 50% acc ring is better than anything else in terms of accuracy. At L90 dusk palace rings, there are alternatives like +30%accuracy+2%crit rings.

i dont know where u got your calculations from.

u say u cast the accuracy buff before u equip the rings. how abt u equip the rings first then u cast the buff?

if base acc is 600, u use 2 X 50% acc rings...accuracy becomes 1200, then u use 200% accuracy buff u get 3600 accuracy. i have tried this method so many times with ling yun rings and have always came up with the same result.

do u own ling yuns? have u tried equippng them yourself to check the statistics?

by the way ling yuns cost more than 15-20m gold on my server. they are worth 60-80+ million on the malaysian chinese server now.

3k or so accuracy is not enough to pk a high dex based archer with half decent gear.

what i am trying to say here that Ling yun is the most expensive and the best way for the rich people out there to increase their Accuracy be it a wuxia or a werebeast lol.

and yes accuracy is only needed for pvp lol..u dont need it for lvlling purposes or anything else other than pvp which i mentioned many times before.

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dexter
Posted: Thursday, July 26, 2007 3:46:27 PM

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Yeah, Lam Van is Ling Yun :d

The calculation is the same as yours since we both experienced it during playing game. But you can be confused at my example about acc of 600. Now, my last explaination. Laughing

Basic acc(BA)= Equipments acc + natural acc (based on DEX points)
After using skill you will have Last acc (LA) = BA + 200% * BA(Additional acc) = 3* TA(Total acc )

Yeah that's the calculation. And about my example about BA of 600.Laughing With BA of 600, don't use 2 LY rings, you will have LA = 1800. If you use 2 LY rings, you will have additional acc of 2400 (not 3600) then you have LA = TA + 2400 = 3600 (the same as yours Laughing).Now, even i can be confused. Embarassed

My obvious example of good accessories used the same calculation, and we all can see the result when use 2 YL rings, 1 YL ring and when don't use LY ring (just use good equipments). What i meant when i said it's not the best way when using LY ring is from its money-consuming aspect and with 1 LY you can do pvp well against archer/warrior!

I had time using LY ring. This was my friend's ring (an archer) before he decided to sell it for 27mil Gold. ^^!

First LY rings in my server costed about 35 - 40mil Gold, but now many 8x-9x teams can finish level-79 challange quest in 2h-2h30' to hunt for LY rings, the price is about 15-20mil gold per ring. Since i don't have enough time to hunt Golden equipments, i've never had more than 13mil Goldcry Now the way i earn money is solo in Dusk Palace to hunt material (about 40')

Lolz, don't think this can come so far! I think it will be the end of accuracy debate before Cyan or LD come here and do something with us for changing topic!
PimpJhonzie
Posted: Friday, July 27, 2007 1:36:49 AM
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higher lvl you get more mp needed for spells , you'd be stupid not to work on int , higher int the faster your mana regeneration. wasting on str and dex for heavy armor is a way to mess up your mage build
k3mistry
Posted: Friday, July 27, 2007 3:34:06 AM
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man 20+m for ling yun is cheap lol.

which server are u on dexter and whats your current lvl for your yaoshou?

yea 1 ling yun is good enough to duel an archer that i agree. 2 is over kill.

i rather u fill up the 2nd ring slot with the L90 dusk palace legendary ring which gives +30% accuracy and +2% crit.



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dexter
Posted: Friday, July 27, 2007 11:17:44 AM

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PimpJhonzie wrote:
higher lvl you get more mp needed for spells , you'd be stupid not to work on int , higher int the faster your mana regeneration. wasting on str and dex for heavy armor is a way to mess up your mage build


It's not a waste ^^! i think if you play mage by yourself, you can become another "stupid" one

@kemis: i'm playing in PW-VN, not in chinese version:d
k3mistry
Posted: Friday, July 27, 2007 3:26:51 PM
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ooh pw-vn...do u read viet or is there a english patch for it too? or are u native vietnamese?

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Beck
Posted: Friday, July 27, 2007 5:36:37 PM

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PimpJhonzie wrote:
higher lvl you get more mp needed for spells , you'd be stupid not to work on int , higher int the faster your mana regeneration. wasting on str and dex for heavy armor is a way to mess up your mage build


the int will be the same as the build for light armor.
u just have the option to wear gear either providing def or mdef, depending to ur needs.

its better to use sp pots then to use a stat just to increase ur max mana and mana regen.


jeez, i think i wrote something like that a dozen times already ...

well, i think some people wont be able to play a char like that, thats true.
bet that build wont be something ur gonna play, so whatever. *shrugs*

oh, and u should really discuss the lam van/ling yun/dex ring stuff in another thread.
shame on you all Laughing
Crimzaelus
Posted: Friday, August 10, 2007 6:11:58 PM

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So, I'm deciding after reading all of these posts, whether I should be a Robe/Light/Heavy mage...by the looks of it, each has their ups and downs.

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Beck
Posted: Friday, August 10, 2007 6:19:54 PM

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yeah, each build has its advantages and its disadvantages ^^

but thats what makes it interesting, as i hate classes with no cons. Wink
Crimzaelus
Posted: Saturday, August 11, 2007 3:45:36 AM

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I think I read somewhere where someone said Light Mages are the worst...is that true..

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Alfador
Posted: Monday, August 20, 2007 5:47:35 PM

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Heavy armor mage...lol
BAD for pvp, bad for pve.
Little manna for pve.
Little m defense against other spell casters.
Oh I guess you can own warriors...if your mana doesn't end before you take all their health.
This is mage guys...Think more perspective. You only see numbers.

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iamanicemove
Posted: Sunday, September 09, 2007 3:19:52 AM
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this is a lvl 78 heavy armor fa shih... btw this isn't my char but im aiming on this build ^^ im still 66 but a heavy armor type too ^^



mage armor


heavy armor
Beck
Posted: Sunday, September 09, 2007 9:48:08 AM

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nice ^^
too bad i cant find a chart bout how much defense reduces gives what damage reduction
Raalf
Posted: Sunday, September 09, 2007 11:52:58 AM

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@iamanicemove - but this char has YL buffs, it would be better to see it only with fashi buffs. But look nice...Smile

Xiaoloui88
Posted: Sunday, September 09, 2007 12:58:47 PM
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come on, if ur stat build is perfect, u can wear the robe and heavt armor too^^ u also can wear both by mixing them, a nice heavy armor mage's magic atk not much lower than a int type ^^
Beck
Posted: Sunday, September 09, 2007 1:08:54 PM

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problem is that u dont have room for con at all ^^
and the gap between ur level and the heavy armor u can wear will get larger and larger.
iamanicemove
Posted: Sunday, September 09, 2007 1:49:09 PM
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@Raalf lol.. no char is imba of course, if there is all people will go for that char lol..

@xiaoloui lol there is a saying "no one's perfect" XD and also wearing both at the same time is impossible lol... how would u like to wear two kinds of underwear at the same time XD hehe just an example :p

@Beck yup... no con XD but i think 3k hp is ok.. u do have enough def/mdef so its ok... just use amu or pots... also u don't need to wear the same heavy armor as ur current level... if u do ur damage will suck big time XD

im just showing this to u guys so ul have an idea of what's in store for a heavy armor type fashi... so far as im playing its so fun ^^ one of the best things with this build is that u can use fiery storm all u want coz of ur def ^^...
Xiaoloui88
Posted: Sunday, September 09, 2007 2:24:22 PM
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iamanicemove wrote:
@Raalf lol.. no char is imba of course, if there is all people will go for that char lol..

@xiaoloui lol there is a saying "no one's perfect" XD and also wearing both at the same time is impossible lol... how would u like to wear two kinds of underwear at the same time XD hehe just an example :p

@Beck yup... no con XD but i think 3k hp is ok.. u do have enough def/mdef so its ok... just use amu or pots... also u don't need to wear the same heavy armor as ur current level... if u do ur damage will suck big time XD

im just showing this to u guys so ul have an idea of what's in store for a heavy armor type fashi... so far as im playing its so fun ^^ one of the best things with this build is that u can use fiery storm all u want coz of ur def ^^...


I think i not saying my opinion clearly.
If u are a heavy armor type with the good stat builder.
u can wear 3 types
1) Full heavy Armor
2) Full robe
3) Mixing between armor and robe

I not means to wantr u wear both full set heavy armor and robe at the same time ^^ Get it?

Something again, the more hp u get for a heavy armor mage , the better u are. Hp is important ^^ But that's sure a heavy armor mage will less hp than a vit-int robe mage ^^
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