I'ld like to point out that all comments are "damage oriented". And I think I don't see anything relating to war potential...
MiniKyubi wrote:
The hybrid fox is the worst build you can do for pvp.
Forget that.
-The problem with sp for skill is not a little problem. You will cry if you are trying to take all the skills. Stop saying high level chart have all the skills or we can have them with the time and levels. When you take skills only for mage specialisation or for fox specialisation, you cant even have all the skills. So i dont even talk about the sp spent for your pets skills (very important when you are leveling and for pvp). I know there is max level for skills around 60 70 but you have to spent 700000sp for the last levels. Wait level 100 to have all your skills (the most part:p), not before. So the Icewater's idea "pure int and level 80 restat in str", oki cool Ice and we transfer all our skills?
The idea behind this is to get only the mage skills you will be using for pvm. Stinging(100%matk) and iron crag(300%matk) is enough, you can opt to get primal(200%matk) should you want to mob as a mage.
MiniKyubi wrote:
-Now for light armor : the worst idea. Your mdef is not good. Your pdef is not good. Youlost points in agility, you cant put points in con (really not).your str is not good because of int. Your int is not good because of str. Forget the lvl 22 gold sword or other sword more than 10 level under your level. With leveling you need strong weapon or go kill horses and bunny in the town. And i dont want to hear level 30 40 or less who are talking about pvp. YEp WF are strong at low level : our summon is very powerful, we have good nuke, any chart in any class at lvl 40 have low hp( go fight Level 80 WB you will se the difference). After, all is totally different. With no con all classes will one shot you (even with heavy armor against archer, you will be one shoted:p).
Armor-And what can you say about the pdef of mystic armor? You don't get to choose what hits you (be it physical or magical).
-Crit mages can go for either light or mystic armor.
-Light foxes can have the highest "naked max hp" among all WF's. I already have 5.6k hp (7.4k buffed).
lv22 sword-The game has damage multipliers. Str for melee weapons, agi for ranged weapons, and int for magic weapons. What your read on the weapon is not the atk / matk value you get when you open your stat window. Whith 100+ str you get about x2 the attack value of your weapon (add to that the 120% multiplier the fox has) and the damage is "good enough" to pvm.
-The said weapon with 1 lv 5 atk stone and +120% damage will theoretically deal 352 - 484 damage (just do the math). So how is it possible that a fox dealing 600+ unarmed damage can do around 1.3-1.5k armed with the said weapon. That's an addition of 700-900 damage from a weapon that should only add 300-400 damage.
-The reason why some fox builds opt for this weapon is the low int req for "good enough" damage. Why be satisfied with "good enough"? Because they are the builds that DON'T FOCUS ON DAMAGE. They focus on doing that 1 thing only the WF can do.
MiniKyubi wrote: -Its time to say that the PVP in perfect world is with hierogram. OKI?
If you dont like that or dont want buy hiero, so dont pvp. All pvper have that. So without hiero you are dead. And forget duel, thats shit for newbie. The real pvp is in the land and imprevisible. So all is to kill your ennemy in a short laps of time which corresponds to hiero cooldown time. If you have low hp (hello light armor fox), you are dead before your hiero saves you. And you have low mdef and low pdef. So mage and fighter will kill you. Other WF too and EP too. All classes. I really want light armor fox pvp video
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. And for the dmg : You have to do a lot of dmg in a short time.(around 5sec because of hiero and pots). So What do you want to do if you have not enough str and not enough int?
Damage per Second-Light mages "can wear either light or mystic" (agi adds crit), that said I don't need to explain that they can adapt to any situation (not as well as the str-int builds).
-Light armor using "con foxes" (no int) don't use mystic weapons (they use melee or ranged weapons <- depending on taste). They deal practically half pet damage. How can they take aggro from a monster when their pets always do way more damage. In my 88 lvs as a "con fox" I have never taken a monster engaged with my pet (even if I wanted to)
-Light combat foxes (lv22 sword) are built to "add to pet damage" not be the primary damager. Again they deal relatively lower damage than pets so they rarely take aggro from monsters.
-In general, light foxes have a higher hp rating than heavy foxes (look at the stat reqs and you'll see why)
hieroSince you say this is allowed in duels then WF's are practically immortal (hp - mp switching). You can simply run away and wait for the skill's cooldown.
MiniKyubi wrote:
-By the way the heavy armor fox is not really a bad idea. You can switch between robe and heavy armor. You dont spent points in agility. And you can have very good pdef or very good mdef. you can put points in con and use hp stone too becasue you are using robe against mage(enough for mdef) and heavy against fighter or archer(enough for pdef).You dont need to use phys def stone for the robe and mag def stone for heavy. Like some people said, take the level 70 heavy armor set when you are high level and with transformation bonus you will have very good pdef. THE PROBLEM IS this build is shit for pvp too:p. You cant use nuke because your int is too low. Remember, you have 5 sec to kill people. Against fighter you need to be transform in fox. Who really think he can fight a fighter in melee with the fox? They have really good skill, better than ours for melee, better hp, str, stun skills, better weapon. And against archer and mage? you want to run with your fox to catch them? They dont want melee. You will be dead before to touch them. Fighter have problem to win against mage and archer too. But they have better skills for that. so Forget too. And you cant do enough dmg to kill.
Vs melee-Thorns = return 60% of damage taken (if you have 0def). Suppose you are delt 1000 damage (with 0 def). You reflect 60% of 1000 = 600 damage. But wait, you actually have 60% damage reduction (heavy armor) and take only 400 damage.
-Barrier of Thorns (sinister) = return 200% of damage taken & take only 25% damage. Same situation only you use this instead of regular thorns. You return 2000 damage and take only 150.
These 2 skills alone give you an edge over every melee build. There's also life steal and hit reduction skill (70% hit reduction). Not to mention you can take away all their buffs.
Vs mage-Mystic wearing mages are generally (there are exemptions with player factor as a deciding factor) pet food. Use your pet wisely and that will hold true regardless of your build. It would also be a good idea to stay out of magic range (or are you not allowed to run away). YJ's do have the fastest walk speed among all the mages.
Vs archer-Get close and have your pet finish him. I don't even bother using any of my damage skills when it comes to archers.
MiniKyubi wrote:
-Now THE TRUE : The best WF is int WF with robe. Im sad too but that the reality. All you have read on light or heavy armor fox was rumour for forums discussions only. You need a good Weapon for your level with a lot of int to do a lot of dmg and kill fast. yOu will be impressed by our nuke power on fighter and mage too. Take the best robe you can. You can take robe spe fire elem earth mdef against mage if you want or wood against WF. So you can have different set too like the switch between robe and heavy armor. The stones needed for robe set are PHYS def stones or HP stones. Depends on your build.You needed a lot of hp to stay alive enough for hierogram cooldown time and support big dmg. Dont be afraid to put around 100 in your con and around 300 for int at high level. you can take a heavy low level hat with a lot of socket. + Hp because heavy hat and Hp stones in the sockets. Take PHYS def Jewels. For the skills you need mage skills. Forget fox skills. And take the highest level on each mage skill you prefer if you dont have enough sp. Dont forget bramble guard, passive skill wood mastery and wind walk. In fox skills you will need fox transformation (all level),banish malediction and amplify maim. Dont forget the passive skill melee feat mastery if you have enough to take it. We are int WF but we have good weapon and very good pattack with our fox too (fun for leveling because your pet takes aggro). Now the fox form is used really fast in pvp. You need it to protect against phys dmg when you run far from the ennemy (your pet attacks when you run). You have to cancel buff fast too and debuff with amplify maim. When you choose dark way the transformation will give you 60% extra speed within 6 sec. Good to stay far and nuke again and again. You have good hp, your vital hiero to protect you, intersoul switch when the cooldown of the hiero is in progression(double hiero protection if you have spirit hiero too:p) and potions:p. Conclusion : you are powerful nuker but you have the chance to have summon too : additionnal dmg, casting inteerrupt against mage, pet skills really good...
In war the int mage / fox is the easiest to kill.
MiniKyubi wrote: WF are really strong in pvp against all class with the int con build. You think im wrong?
So do your favorite build and you will regret that, i swear.
Believe me, you will level fast and kill fast
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Thats not a choice like i have heard : "do what you prefer or depend on your equipment, heavy fox needs good equip with -15% equpment bonus so if you have monney you can....". All that words are wrong.
If you want strong WF for pvp, there is only one solution : mine. You will never see light or heavy armor WF win a fight against good ennemy or you will, but only in forums discussions:p
.(or maybe 4 critical in 5 sec?:p)
PS : You should pay me for this topic. I am offering to you all the time you could waste to level str WF:p
Are you basing all this (all the put downs on non mystic builds) on actual experience or did you just conclude from "reading other forums".
